[Dstar] DV Dongle ???

Sat Aug 30 06:29:34 CST 2008

Have the ACMA Regulations recently changed to allow F calls to make
use of digital modes such as D-Star?

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The views I present are that of my own and NOT of any organisation I
may belong to.

73 de Simon, VK3XEM.
(sent via 2.4 GHz from my Nokia N82)

On 8/29/08, John Goda <vk8hf at internode.on.net> wrote:
> Richard,
>
>                 Please read the Administrator message sent around 3:50 this
> afternoon. I presume you have received it the administrator has made his
> comments and I hope he applies them to you.
>
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> From: dstar-bounces at lists.wia.org.au [mailto:dstar-bounces at lists.wia.org.au]
> On Behalf Of Richard Hoskin
> Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 8:14 PM
> To: 'Dstar Digital Radio Mail List'
> Subject: RE: [Dstar] DV Dongle ???
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> Pat,
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> I think most people on this list have had enough of this discussion.
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> If you want to continue with this please do it via private email.
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> Cheers
>
> Richard
>
> VK3JFK
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>   _____
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> From: Patrick Goda [mailto:vk8faab at internode.on.net]
> Sent: Friday, 29 August 2008 1:50 PM
> To: vk3jfk at wia.org.au; 'Dstar Digital Radio Mail List'
> Subject: RE: [Dstar] DV Dongle ???
>
>
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> Yes but Richard you must understand that if they really really REALLY want
> to use a DV DONGLE or transmit using DSTAR.they will.  I would like to know
> what is in place to stop non amateur from going and buying themselves a
> DSTAR radio, or any radio that will transmit on amateur frequencies?
>
>
>
> >From what it sounds like you have some double standards going on there, You
> have put these drastic measures in place to stop non authorized DV Dongle
> users from accessing Australian repeaters but what measures are you going to
> put in place to stop non licensed people from buying transceiver's (or a DV
> Dongle) that are capable of transmitting on Amateur frequencies?  I don't
> see you doing anything about that?
>
>
>
> Yes I can understand and firmly believe in the importance of only allowing
> licensed people access to Amateur radio frequencies but your taking this way
> too far, and giving Australia and D-Star a bad name at the same time.  You
> are also making D-Star difficult for anyone else to use.  You are imposing
> all these "crazy" rules and regulations which deter new D-Star users from
> even getting involved in the technology.  Not only that but the rest of the
> world thinks' Australia has a joke of a communication authority, all because
> of you.
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> Now this is a quote taken from the Amateur LCD "
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> 11A, (2) The licensee must not, directly or indirectly, connect the station
> to a public
>
> telecommunications network, unless the licensee has implemented
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> reasonable measures to ensure that only appropriately licensed persons
>
> access the station to transmit a signal to another amateur station. "
>
>
>
> Now what do you define as reasonable measures?  I don't really think you
> have any, you just like to make things difficult.  Let me tell you what I
> believe reasonable measures are, they are:
>
> 1.       Well designed and secure software
>
> a.       Now Dplus has been well designed and very secure, in fact there is
> a section in the dplus.conf file that specifically relates to blocking other
> Dstar repeaters, perhaps you could put your "list" of un-secured repeaters
> in there?
>
> 2.       Dplus has an allowed users section, capable of supporting passwords
>
> a.       Why not give everyone one of your D-Star users a password?  Would
> that put your mind at ease? Or too much work for one person to do?
>
> 3.       Tell me, who in there right mind would go out and spend $200+ for a
> DV dongle or $700+ on an ICOM 2820
>
> a.       To me that is another really good deterrent of stopping non
> authorized users.
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> I'm only thinking in reasonable and sensible though here Richard, it's not
> hard to do.
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> -Pat
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> From: dstar-bounces at lists.wia.org.au [mailto:dstar-bounces at lists.wia.org.au]
> On Behalf Of Richard Hoskin
> Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 10:10 PM
> To: 'Dstar Digital Radio Mail List'
> Subject: RE: [Dstar] DV Dongle ???
>
>
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> Patrick,
>
>
>
> If you are familiar with the Amateur LCD section 11A (2) written by the ACMA
> you will understand the conditions under which the licence for VK8RAD (and
> all other repeaters) is issued and the responsibilities of the licensee of
> the repeater.
>
>
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> After consultation with the WIA and awareness of the LCD licensees
> obligations to comply with the regulations it was decided the best course of
> action was to temporarily suspend DV-Dongle and linking on the repeaters.
>
>
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> Cheers
>
> Richard
>
>
>
>   _____
>
> From: dstar-bounces at lists.wia.org.au [mailto:dstar-bounces at lists.wia.org.au]
> On Behalf Of Patrick Goda
> Sent: Thursday, 28 August 2008 1:20 PM
> To: 'Dstar Digital Radio Mail List'
> Subject: [Dstar] DV Dongle ???
>
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> To Richard,
>
>
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> I was wondering when you would be telling the Australian community about
> your latest decision as Australian D-Star Coordinator? Seems quite unfair as
> to what you have done and not put it up for any discussion?  And I thought
> WIA in conjunction with the ACMA were suppose to be making these types of
> decisions, not you?
>
>
>
> I think we all deserve an explanation.  And just so you are aware, VK8RAD is
> not administered by you, so your rule's do not apply to us and yes, we are a
> part of Australia.
>
>
>
> -Pat
>
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-- 
The views I present are that of my own and NOT of any organisation I
may belong to.

73 de Simon, VK3XEM.