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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Pat,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I think most people on this list have had
enough of this discussion.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>If you want to continue with this please
do it via private email.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Cheers<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Richard<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>VK3JFK<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
Patrick Goda [mailto:vk8faab@internode.on.net] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, 29 August 2008 1:50
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> vk3jfk@wia.org.au; '<st1:PersonName
w:st="on">Dstar Digital Radio Mail List</st1:PersonName>'<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [Dstar] DV Dongle ???</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Yes but Richard you
must understand that if they really really REALLY want to use a DV DONGLE or
transmit using DSTAR…they will. I would like to know what is in
place to stop non amateur from going and buying themselves a DSTAR radio, or
any radio that will transmit on amateur frequencies? <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>From what it sounds
like you have some double standards going on there, You have put these drastic
measures in place to stop non authorized DV Dongle users from accessing
Australian repeaters but what measures are you going to put in place to stop
non licensed people from buying transceiver’s (or a DV Dongle) that are
capable of transmitting on Amateur frequencies? I don’t see you
doing anything about that? <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Yes I can understand
and firmly believe in the importance of only allowing licensed people access to
Amateur radio frequencies but your taking this way too far, and giving <st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Australia</st1:place></st1:country-region> and
D-Star a bad name at the same time. You are also making D-Star difficult
for anyone else to use. You are imposing all these “crazy”
rules and regulations which deter new D-Star users from even getting involved
in the technology. Not only that but the rest of the world thinks’ <st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Australia</st1:place></st1:country-region> has a
joke of a communication authority, all because of you.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Now this is a quote
taken from the Amateur LCD “<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>11A, (2) The
licensee must not, directly or indirectly, connect the station to a public<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>telecommunications
network, unless the licensee has implemented<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>reasonable
measures to ensure that only appropriately licensed persons<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt'>access the station to transmit a signal to another
amateur station.</span></font><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'> “<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Now what do you
define as reasonable measures? I don’t really think you have any,
you just like to make things difficult. Let me tell you what I believe
reasonable measures are, they are:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=msolistparagraph style='margin-left:18.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;
color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>1.<font size=1
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></font></span></span></font><![endif]><b><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;
color:#1F497D;font-weight:bold'>Well designed and secure software</span></font></b><font
size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=msolistparagraph style='margin-left:54.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;
mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;
color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>a.<font size=1
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></font></span></span></font><![endif]><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;
color:#1F497D'>Now Dplus has been well designed and very secure, in fact there
is a section in the dplus.conf file that specifically relates to blocking other
Dstar repeaters, perhaps you could put your “list” of un-secured
repeaters in there?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=msolistparagraph style='margin-left:18.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;
color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>2.<font size=1
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></font></span></span></font><![endif]><b><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;
color:#1F497D;font-weight:bold'>Dplus has an allowed users section, capable of
supporting passwords</span></font></b><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;
color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=msolistparagraph style='margin-left:54.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;
mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;
color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>a.<font size=1
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></font></span></span></font><![endif]><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;
color:#1F497D'>Why not give everyone one of your D-Star users a password?
Would that put your mind at ease? Or too much work for one person to do?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=msolistparagraph style='margin-left:18.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;
color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>3.<font size=1
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></font></span></span></font><![endif]><b><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;
color:#1F497D;font-weight:bold'>Tell me, who in there right mind would go out
and spend $200+ for a DV dongle or $700+ on an ICOM 2820</span></font></b><font
size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=msolistparagraph style='margin-left:54.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;
mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;
color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>a.<font size=1
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</span></font></span></span></font><![endif]><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;
color:#1F497D'>To me that is another really good deterrent of stopping non
authorized users.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>I’m only
thinking in reasonable and sensible though here Richard, it’s not hard to
do.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>-Pat<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
dstar-bounces@lists.wia.org.au [mailto:dstar-bounces@lists.wia.org.au] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Richard Hoskin<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, August 28, 2008
10:10 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> '<st1:PersonName w:st="on">Dstar
Digital Radio Mail List</st1:PersonName>'<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [Dstar] DV Dongle ???<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Patrick,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>If you are familiar with the Amateur LCD
section 11A (2) written by the ACMA you will understand the conditions under which
the licence for VK8RAD (and all other repeaters) is issued and the
responsibilities of the licensee of the repeater.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>After consultation with the WIA and
awareness of the LCD licensees obligations to comply with the regulations it
was decided the best course of action was to temporarily suspend DV-Dongle and
linking on the repeaters.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Cheers<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Richard<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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dstar-bounces@lists.wia.org.au [mailto:dstar-bounces@lists.wia.org.au] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Patrick Goda<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, 28 August 2008
1:20 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> '<st1:PersonName w:st="on">Dstar
Digital Radio Mail List</st1:PersonName>'<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [Dstar] DV Dongle ???</span></font><span
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>To Richard,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>I was wondering when
you would be telling the Australian community about your latest decision as
Australian D-Star Coordinator? Seems quite unfair as to what you have done and
not put it up for any discussion? And I thought WIA in conjunction with
the ACMA were suppose to be making these types of decisions, not you?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>I think we all
deserve an explanation. And just so you are aware, VK8RAD is not
administered by you, so your rule’s do not apply to us and yes, we are a
part of <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Australia</st1:place></st1:country-region>.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>-Pat<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>VK8FAAB<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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