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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Yes but Richard you must understand that if they really really
REALLY want to use a DV DONGLE or transmit using DSTAR…they will. I
would like to know what is in place to stop non amateur from going and buying themselves
a DSTAR radio, or any radio that will transmit on amateur frequencies? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>From what it sounds like you have some double standards going on
there, You have put these drastic measures in place to stop non authorized DV
Dongle users from accessing Australian repeaters but what measures are you
going to put in place to stop non licensed people from buying transceiver’s
(or a DV Dongle) that are capable of transmitting on Amateur frequencies?
I don’t see you doing anything about that? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Yes I can understand and firmly believe in the importance of
only allowing licensed people access to Amateur radio frequencies but your
taking this way too far, and giving Australia and D-Star a bad name at the same
time. You are also making D-Star difficult for anyone else to use.
You are imposing all these “crazy” rules and regulations which deter
new D-Star users from even getting involved in the technology. Not only
that but the rest of the world thinks’ Australia has a joke of a
communication authority, all because of you.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Now this is a quote taken from the Amateur LCD “<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'>11A, (2) The licensee must not,
directly or indirectly, connect the station to a public<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'>telecommunications network,
unless the licensee has implemented<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'>reasonable measures to ensure
that only appropriately licensed persons<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>access the station to transmit a signal to another amateur
station.<span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> “<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Now what do you define as reasonable measures? I don’t
really think you have any, you just like to make things difficult. Let me
tell you what I believe reasonable measures are, they are:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:.25in;text-indent:-.25in;
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>1.<span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><b><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Well designed
and secure software</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.25in;
mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>a.<span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Now
Dplus has been well designed and very secure, in fact there is a section in the
dplus.conf file that specifically relates to blocking other Dstar repeaters, perhaps
you could put your “list” of un-secured repeaters in there?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:.25in;text-indent:-.25in;
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>2.<span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><b><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Dplus
has an allowed users section, capable of supporting passwords</span></b><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.25in;
mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>a.<span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Why
not give everyone one of your D-Star users a password? Would that put
your mind at ease? Or too much work for one person to do?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:.25in;text-indent:-.25in;
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>3.<span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><b><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Tell
me, who in there right mind would go out and spend $200+ for a DV dongle or
$700+ on an ICOM 2820</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.25in;
mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>a.<span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>To me
that is another really good deterrent of stopping non authorized users.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I’m only thinking in reasonable and sensible though here
Richard, it’s not hard to do.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>-Pat<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
dstar-bounces@lists.wia.org.au [mailto:dstar-bounces@lists.wia.org.au] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Richard Hoskin<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 28, 2008 10:10 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Dstar Digital Radio Mail List'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Dstar] DV Dongle ???<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>Patrick,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>If you are familiar with the Amateur LCD section 11A (2) written by
the ACMA you will understand the conditions under which the licence for VK8RAD
(and all other repeaters) is issued and the responsibilities of the licensee of
the repeater.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>After consultation with the WIA and awareness of the LCD licensees
obligations to comply with the regulations it was decided the best course of
action was to temporarily suspend DV-Dongle and linking on the repeaters.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>Cheers<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>Richard<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
dstar-bounces@lists.wia.org.au [mailto:dstar-bounces@lists.wia.org.au] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Patrick Goda<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 28 August 2008 1:20 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Dstar Digital Radio Mail List'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Dstar] DV Dongle ???</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>To Richard,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I was wondering when you would be telling the Australian
community about your latest decision as Australian D-Star Coordinator? Seems
quite unfair as to what you have done and not put it up for any
discussion? And I thought WIA in conjunction with the ACMA were suppose
to be making these types of decisions, not you?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I think we all deserve an explanation. And just so you are
aware, VK8RAD is not administered by you, so your rule’s do not apply to
us and yes, we are a part of Australia.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>-Pat<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>VK8FAAB<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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