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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Hi Robert<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I tried to bite my tongue a lot more than you have but I think
you said it for all of us who are working hard at getting these systems up and
running. For those guys sitting on the sidelines fiddling with their radios and
microphones waiting waiting for the use of these Dstar thingys probably have no
real idea what is involved in getting one up and running reliably. Horst does
have a valid comment about the deal that WIA did with Icom but I don’t think
most in the clubs and to be honest most involved at that level realized just
how much money and time and effort goes into maintaining a properly installed
and running modern repeater site. All the old crap laying around in club
members sheds will just not cut the mustard now at any major repeater
site and you absolutely have to have the correct high spec equipment there to keep
your gear and of course all the other gear apart from the interference created
now. Add to this a system that is run by a lot of software that really is still
in early development and is being updated regularly as bugs are found and taken
care of.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Unless you have been involved in getting a reliable high speed
internet link out of a repeater site which is usually many kilometers from any
exchange that will allow a ADSL 2 quality internet link you have no idea how
hard or costly it is….this is why they are NOT already at these sites as
it is a major exercise to get this one but very important part going reliably.
I can tell you just how costly and how much work goes into this part of the
operation from first hand experience not to mention all the diplexing equipment
and LDF5-50 coax and connectors…not all this old moisture laden coax
laying around sheds it really must be new stuff all sealed properly. I shudder
to think just how much I have spent over this last 6 months getting all my
stuff going and infrastructure installed and tested. Lucky I am the boss here
because if I had a accountant working here he would commit me to a asylum.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>This is the price you pay to be on the cutting edge of
technology. Even though Dstar has been in development for quite a while it
really is still in its infancy but these new digital modes is the way of the
future due to bandwidth crowding and restrictions. Icom’s commercial
version of Dstar is IDAS and it is being taken up by Kenwood and even GME as
the standard for the future. This system works well just as Dstar does as a
standard repeater but once you try to talk to the outside world let alone across
the whole world and soon to be in space and a possibility of a repeater on the
moon in the not too far distant future it takes on a whole different face. IDAS
does not have the functionality of Dstar yet and this is because We amateurs
are doing the pioneering work once again. Amateur radio used to be in the
forefront of new modes and development and over the past 20 years has been on
the back foot. With Dstar we are on the cutting edge again and pushing the
envelope on what is being done. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>There will always be whingers around but thank god they are
usually in the minority. I have nothing against constructive criticism at all
and we will always take it on board…but this sort of criticism is only
taken on board from the people who dish it out when they actually know the
whole story. The trouble is most of them are going off half cocked without
knowing the full facts they don’t even take the time to ask someone who
knows before launching into their attacks but this is how a lot of people are
now. I just try to ignore them but their venom usually does bite into you especially
when everyone involved is doing the best they can with the resources available.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>As far as the attacks I have seen on Richard I must say I am
disgusted and it is totally unwarranted. Richard spends so many hours fielding
all of our questions and solves problems and uploads software remotely to all
over Australia…he deserves a medal for the amount of work he puts in
behind the scenes.. All of the smart arses around have NO IDEA what and how
much he does for the Dstar community Australia wide as well as his involvement
internationally and should hang their heads in shame especially when they sit
there and pontificate on their boundless knowledge on the Dstar subject which
in actual fact is the size of a pea compared to Ayres Rock. If it was not for
Richard we would NEVER be even where we are today which is not too far off from
getting reliability into these complex systems.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Please try to be constructive not destructive in your comments
and please ask questions and make some “informed” opinions by
actually trying to get your head around what is actually involved in what we
are doing with Dstar and how it actually works.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Mark Kyle<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Kyle Communications Pty Ltd<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>25 Cameron Road<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Burpengary<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Qld 4505<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Australia<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Phone : +61-7- 38887899<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Fax :
+61-7-38883899<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Mobile :+61 (0)408-724272<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
dstar-bounces@lists.wia.org.au [mailto:dstar-bounces@lists.wia.org.au] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Robert McKnight<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 3 September 2009 1:51 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Dstar Digital Radio Mail List'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Dstar] Comment from a D-Star Rptr Project person<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>Hi All (especially to my fellow often unfairly criticized D-Star
repeater project people),<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>Mark Kyle has just posted a polite email to those questioning the
commitment, roll-out, quality & functionality of the Australian D-Star
repeater systems.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>Congrats to you Mark for being so nice to the many that have been
so sarcastic & critical of these systems over the past months in not
meeting their lofty expectations.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>My take on these unwarranted, ignorant & self-centred comments
is the following…..<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>Many of you have bitched & whined about buying your D-Star
radio & not (in your opinion), being supplied with the service that you
feel you deserve & are entitled to. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>All I have to say to you is - what a load of crap! <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>All you have managed to do is:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>1) Buy a radio <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>2) Connect it to power & antenna<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>3) Decide that things aren’t up to YOUR expectations<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>4) Then whinge, bitch, whine, blame & complain to anyone who
will listen (or are forced to)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>Many of you have contributed ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to the many D-Star
repeater projects & installations, but you feel it is your God-given right
to then air your feelings in the most public way (eg: over the air & via
emails) while also “feeding” off each other with your stupid,
ill-informed, opinionated, smart-arse & sarcastic comments.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>I’ve heard & seen you blame:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>1) The WIA <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>2) Icom<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>2) Richard VK3JFK<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>3) The wankers in Melbourne who don’t care about the rest of
Australia<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>4) The D-Star hierarchy (whoever they are)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>5) The local D-Star repeater project people (because we’re
useless/lazy/stupid/lack technical knowledge/beyond our ability/don’t
care/don’t contribute enough effort/etc).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>Some of you are so funny (not) with your “e-waste”
comments or how about “</span>Actually I've got the s-its too so me is
spitting the dummy, being geared up for Dstar close to 2 years, WIA member 11
years, donated some cash to the local Dstar club project and my ID-1 purchased
in good faith may as well be in the ------- trash can.”<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>Ignoring the lack of ability in typing a grammatically correct
sentence, if you really feel that way, why don’t you actually chuck your
radio in the trash can?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>Have you not heard that actions speak louder than words?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>I couldn’t care less about how long you’ve owned your
radio or been a WIA member. Those of us who are working on getting the D-Star
repeaters (both WIA & non-WIA) on the air & running 24 hours a day, who
quietly work away in the background, spending our own money, repeatedly driving
to repeater sites, organizing ACMA licensing, dealing with site access &
legality issues, up late at night trying to figure out connectivity issues,
climbing towers to install feed-lines & antennas, giving up our own family
time, making dozens of phone calls, etc etc etc are sick of hearing your crap.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>Most of you offer nothing but criticism & aim your unfair
comments to people who are doing all of this TOTALLY VOLUNTARILY & who
don’t forget, are also your fellow Amateur “brothers”.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>If you feel you can do better than us, the WIA, Richard or
whomever, why don’t you put your money where your mouth is & go to
the effort of putting a D-Star repeater & gateway on the air & connected
to the internet……then many months later, when you’ve outlaid
considerable money/time/frustration/effort & it’s still not on the
air, maybe you will start to understand how rude & unfair your comments
have been.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>And those that have tried to blame Richard VK3JFK for his lack of
commitment, effort or ability should hang your collective heads in shame.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>You may have opposing opinions & think he should do things
differently (like the D-Star dashboard crap), but to suggest it’s his
fault in some way or he has some sort of political motivations, is downright
rude & shameful. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>Yes, you are entitled to an opinion (as we all are), but perhaps
you should be a bit more considerate of your fellow volunteer Amateurs &
also get yourselves a bit more involved & informed, rather than sitting
back in your chair, firing-off your nasty, vitriolic, rude, sarcastic &
mostly ill-informed opinions to all & sundry. They serve no purpose but to
put a smug smile on your face & perhaps make you feel better about your
lack of actual help & involvement, but in turn alienate & upset the
very people who are working their arses off trying to get these systems on the
air for your friggin’ benefit.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>Of course some of you will now feel compelled to fire-off strongly
worded replies to my comments, but may I suggest that only those who are guilty
of the above should feel that way & by replying you are only exposing your
own guilt.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>Let’s all work together, help each other, offer support,
speak kindly of each others efforts & get D-Star flying in this country. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>Yours in Amateur radio,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>Rob McKnight – VK2MT<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>D-Star Project Officer (VK2RDS)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>Repeater Chairperson (VK2RMP/VK2RUW/VK2RIS/VK2RBT)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>& Vice President<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>Illawarra Amateur Radio Society inc<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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color:navy'>PS: I have included my email address if you wish to discuss any of
the above off the mail list.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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